Seventh Day Adventist Exclusiveness: Cultural and Theological

NOTE: This is part 2 of my article on exclusive Seventh Day Adventist culture. Click here for part 1. In that article I address whether Adventists shun non-members, and I explain how the culture is exclusive. In this article, I will go into the two major reasons that Adventists choose to avoid non-members. The first reason is cultural, the second reason is theological.

Reason #1 – A Unique Social Culture

As I have mentioned, Adventists have a lot of rules, many of which greatly impact on the practicalities of their lives. I cannot begin to explain how keeping the Jewish Sabbath greatly influences your week-to-week life. And practically, not drinking an alcohol limits where you can go and it means that Adventists find ways to amuse themselves compared to the rest of the population. They also are encouraged to engage in church activities throughout the daily week, taking up a lot of their free time. So Adventists do a lot of things together, and they have their own jokes, their own favourite activities and know each other in ways that outsiders would never understand.

There are other major factors that add to this culture too. A major one is the idea of secret knowledge and a secret Adventist-only vocabulary. Take for instance the health message. While the health food laws state that you can eat certain types of meat, bringing meat to a church lunch would not be considered socially OK and people would judge you very harshly for doing so. Since most people like to include meat in their dishes, a non-Adventist attending a church lunch would not know this.

A new member might also not know this. But long-standing members know this social rule, and they also know that non-members don’t know this rule. They have secret, unspoken social rules amoungst themselves that binds them together over other people. And if someone brought meat to a church lunch, then it would become obvious that they weren’t a “good” SDA. The members would whisper to each other about the dish, and avoid talking to the person that brought it.

As already mentioned, they have a special, unique vocabulary. Take the health message again. While many Adventists eat meat, they know to not include it in their dishes for church, or to serve it to other members they invite home. Consequently, they have developed a lot of tasty vegetarian recipes that have unique ways of getting around the non-meat rule. These recipes are shared amongst Adventists and, while an Adventist would immediately recognise a particular vegetarian recipe, a non-Adventist would not. Adventist companies also produce meat substitutes that very few non-SDA’s purchase, and so these have become symbols of the SDA culture. Take this video for instance:

A non-member could enjoy this video for its surface joke about husbands liking disgusting/simple food, while their wives put a lot of effort into creating nice, complex meals. But what you would miss is that it is laden with SDA jokes. It references creative vegetarian recipes that only SDA members would know such as special-K loaf and it references meat substitutes, a call-out to the SDA health message. I found this youtube comment very amusing:

The poor person noticed that grape juice was mentioned, and realised that it was deliberate, but they misinterpreted the reason it was included. It had nothing to do with communion at all; the reference to pouring grape juice is supposed to be a play on the fact that Adventists have grape juice instead of wine, which is also made of grapes, but is fermented. In reality Adventists would not usually drink grape juice at a meal (it is quite bitter) but it was included as a reference to the fact that they don’t drink alcohol.

Even as an ex-Adventist, I still watch this video and smile. I still feel that special, warm connection to Adventists; because only we get these references to the unique things that only Adventists do. For cultural reasons, Adventists stick to other Adventists, because they do the same things, have shared experiences, understand the same jokes and have their own unique vocabulary. The more you are engaged in the Adventist bubble the more unique inside-jokes you know and the harder it will be to relate to people outside of your bubble. As Adventists say, they are “in” the world but not “of” it.

In effect, when an Adventist decides to deconvert and leave, they are removing themselves from this culture. SDA members will struggle to relate to them. Since the SDA members life is the church, they can no longer share this with their friend/family member. A lot of the secret social norms are built on the basis of their unique theological beliefs too. When someone deconverts and rejects these, to the SDA member it almost acts as a rejection of their cultural and social identity. Naturally, SDA members will disconnect with non-members.

 Reason #2 – Theological conflicts

While the above is incredibly unfortunate and sad, it is not overtly malicious. Unfortunately, this reason is more directly offensive and insulting to non-believers. It should be noted that this is a lot less common among progressive circles. In most progressive churches, they practice the rules because it is apart of their social culture, and the basis for their social norms. But to a conservative member, they truly believe in following the rules and studying the Adventist literature. This is what happens as a consequence.

While Adventists do not theologically promote shunning, they do theologically encourage separating themselves from non-believers on purpose. If you sit in on a conservative Adventist youth group, you will quickly become familiar with this Bible verse:

Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? – 2 Corinthians 6:14

What fellowship can light have with darkness is a very big point here. To a lot of Adventists, they see a theological reason to not have close relationships with non-members. Now, a lot of denominations use this verse to great effect – so what makes Adventists unique? The uniqueness comes from their strict view of what darkness is. For plenty of other reasons, most other churches have a less narrow view of what constitutes “darkness”. To Adventists, darkness is quite simply “The World”. It is anyone who is not an Adventist.

Adventists pastors will marry two non-Adventists, or two Adventists. But they will not mix the two, because it goes against SDA theology to do so. SDA’s are only allowed to marry other SDA’s. This idea is also theologically applied to a lot of other relationships too. It is applied to close friendships, and close business relationships. For a fascinating insight into regular SDA’s discussing the issue of marrying a non-SDA to an SDA, click here. You’ll notice that some say they wouldn’t even attend the wedding of a close family member if it broke the SDA bonds.

A common line you will hear from Sabbath School teachers to youth is this; “we aren’t saying you can’t have friends that aren’t Adventists. But think very carefully about it. Those friends are apart of The World. You will be influenced by the people you associate with. Be wary of missionary dating/friendship building, because while you will influence them, they will influence you too. Satan is very persuasive, most people are part of The World.

While my parents let me go to non-SDA schools and make non-SDA friends, they always tried to get me to attend youth groups and would regularly remind me to be “wary” of my non-SDA friends. They would talk with me about my non-SDA friends, but would be a lot more eager and on their own accord ask me questions about my SDA friends, encouraging and pushing those relationships. If I had a non-member friend called Tim, they would never go “how is Tim?” Tim would just never come up in discussion. But if I had an SDA friend named Kate, they would ask me questions like ‘how is Kate? Have you spoken to her lately?” You were not banned from having non-member friends, but they were strongly discouraged.

Adults are also given this line too. But they hear it less, because if you stay in the church up to adulthood then you’ve likely only made close SDA relationships anyway. If you are born within the church, hear this attitude your entire life, and are limited in your opportunities to make non-SDA friends then you will just never get to engage with the outside world, and will be forever sceptical of it. But because the church does not have a ban on friendships/relationships outside the religion in its church manual (you won’t be excluded from church membership technically), it gets a free-pass from outsiders because no one has proof that this goes on – even though it literally happens all the time in the mainstream Seventh Day Adventist church.

In conclusion

Adventists have an insular culture and avoid non-members for the following reasons:

  • They have very limited opportunities to interact with non-Adventists.
  • They have unique social codes/culture/knowledge that only Adventists know and so they find it hard to relate to the rest of the world.
  • They view the rest of the world with suspicion and see them as being in Satans grip.

This is why it is so scary to leave. If your whole social network is Adventist, then leaving is terrifying, because you will be:

  • Excluded from your friends/family’s lives, either by necessity or by their choice.
  • Lose your unique positive identity to them, because you will become part of “The World”. You will be harshly judged.
  • Have trouble including them in your life, because not only will they judge your sinful life, they will also have a lot of trouble relating.

Adventists don’t shun ex-members, but they have their own ways of leaving ex-members out in the cold. For further reading you might be interested in this blog post. Please be warned, the author goes on a rather offensive rant on Adventism, but some may find it interesting.

This is part 2 of this topic. For part 1, click here.

27 Comments
  1. I thought this article was entertaining, but didn’t agree with everything. It’s true that many non Adventists wouldn’t know what a haystack is (which is almost shocking to me still) or a special K (cottage cheese) loaf. Its amazing looking though some of our Adventist recipes, how unhealthy some of our meat-free dishes are, butter, sour cream, eggs, cheese, its just everything except the meat haha.

    It is common to see fresh caught salmon at some of my very Adventist family gatherings, most people are vegetarian and wont eat it but they let everyone know if a dish has meat, so they can avoid it, but no one is in the corner whispering about them. Also grape juice isn’t that bitter, its very sugary and sweet, although tart. It’s a very common Adventist drink, especially the good Adventist wives who can their own from fresh grapes every year, like several women in my family.

    • Hi Jordan, the site webmaster here.

      Thank you for your comment and I found it very interesting to read. I do agree a lot of Adventist recipes are unhealthy. It is still strange for me when I use the word “haystack” and people around me get confused! A lot of Adventists say they have a “haystick culture” – kind of the point of my article.

      Pulling from my experience, my family ate meat. With certain SDA friends we would eat meat in front of them. No one whispered about it – but if you brought meat to a general, church gathering, you would, which was my point. We did our best to not be caught eating meat (clean meat) around people we weren’t close with and a lot of others did too!

      Perhaps it is different in Australia but grape juice is not common here. The version most Adventists choose here is a version from Sanitarium and it is quite bitter despite the added sugar, though I suspect we add a lot less sugar to ours than in America. In general we have fruit punch instead. Sparkling grape juice is used for formal occasions instead of wine though. Non-Adventists from my experience don’t tend to drink grape juice very often and, as you said, is definitely an iconic SDA drink.

      • When I lived in Korea I was surprised how bitter the grapes were compared the the grapes in the USA. The skins were also tougher, and people didn’t eat them. People left a pile of grape skins when they were finished with them. I was used to just eating the entire grape.

        • one. “There wasn’t room for other people. There’s alawys a lot being airbrushed out. His great-grandfather was the richest man in Europe who lost all his money at Monte Carlo. That wasn’t mentioned [in The Russian Album]. It also didn’t mention that Count Paul Ignatieff ran all the pogroms in Russia. ‘Rounding up all of the Jews to protect them from outraged peasantry’ – that’s as mealy-mouthed a description of what his great-grandfather did as is conceivable.” The same relative recalls reading George Ignatieff’s 1985 memoir, The Making of a Peacemonger, before Michael Ignatieff edited it, noting: “It was far more interesting, though less well-written.”

  2. On the other hand, I read this and it almost exactly matches my experiences. I have practically no contact with any of my SDA friends or family anymore, and not for lack of trying–we just don’t have anything in common anymore! When I was an SDA, it was my whole life. Now? Ah, heh, there is so much more. I can’t, for instance, talk physics with any but a single of my SDA friends, and I think he is only SDA by default, or culturally. Nevermind talking philosophy or theology–my dad’s a pastor, and a stubborn one at that.

    Anywho. If you’ve read this far, folks, know this: you’re not alone. We are many, and you are welcome to track us down. It gets better–so, SO much better, when you don’t carry the burdens of pretense and apologism any longer.

  3. Is it true that the sda church has embarked on a project with the catholics church called ,women ministries…

  4. If an Adventist ever refers to other Christian churches as “different faiths”, then you know you’re dealing with one of these types.

  5. The worst part is trying to stay an Adventist if you weren’t born into it..I stayed for 30 years and it was always a struggle. I failed to make any friends and was always lonely. The existence of my children and myself were completely ignored. I loved God and His word. I am still waiting to meet His people. I consider the SDA church to be a complete failure to me. I loved the message of truth so much that I hung on for 30 years although most of the time I didn’t go to church anyway because there wasn’t a church in my town and whenever we visited we were always ignored. I felt so invisible in the church. I had a lot to give no one cared. I was just invisible to them. I really wanted a church, a people of God who loved Him and loved His commandments and loved people…but I never found it. The. Adventist people may think they are not part of the world, but I have found that the church is the most unsafe place to go if I want to get away from worldly things…at home I can avoid all the evils of the world, but I can be sure if I go to church I will hear horror stories from the sabbath school teacher or from the pulpit about some news in the world or somebody’s kid will abuse mine. The SDA church failed me and failed my children. I guess they have failed themselves also. What a sad and miserable life. I finally left the church because the church has become worse than “the world”. Struggling all week to be child of God and protect my children from evil only to go to church where things are worse just isn’t worth it.

    • That is exactly my experience……for about the same amount of time. The SDA folks do not care about others……only about themselves and their little cliques. So sad, but true. How can they call themselves Christians with attitudes like that? If you have money, you are in! If not, you are, indeed, ignored no matter what you do.

    • Speaking as a fellow adult convert who wasn’t raised in the church, let me just say that I totally relate to how “cliqueish” Adventists are. It’s not a bad thing that they have a lot of diversity in their denomination, but that also usually results in people breaking off into their own little social groups. Usually based on their family, cultural background, or what types of church politics they agree with.

      I found it very hard to fit in as a convert. I was just some random person of no consequence. I wasn’t bringing any money or fame or marketable skills that they could exploit, so I was quickly taken for granted. People were VERY nice to me when trying to get me into the church but quick to forget about me once I was baptized.

      Everyone there grew up together in an isolated, sheltered community and did things very differently from what I was used to. Half the people there were related to each other. It’s hard for an outsider, especially one who is all alone, to join and be on equal footing. I was never invited to any social gatherings outside of church, and on a couple of occasions awkwardly ran into the church’s youth group hanging out together at a restaurant Saturday evening. There were many beach trips, camping trips, and other activities the ENTIRE church was engaging in that I didn’t even know were going on until after the fact. I felt very hurt, because I considered them to be my closest friends. They had been so kind to me before, I had no idea why they changed.

      The only time most of them seemed interested in talking to me was when they wanted to vent about other members. I was the dumping ground for lots of jealousy, judgement, backbiting, and gossip. I eventually realized not only were these people not my friends, they barely knew how to be “Christ-like” to each other. And forget about showing God’s love to strangers… anyone who was a “backslider” in their families was spoken about like they were sub-human. Another convert (a friend of mine who had married into the church and first got me involved with Adventism) would talk about his non-Adventist relatives in a very condescending manner. When I confided that my mother had reservations about me joining the church (oh boy, I WISH I had listened!) she was made out to be an agent of Satan.

      Their snobbish ways got kind of ridiculous after a while; for example, no one thought to call me when church was closed on Sabbath for an evangelistic rally in another town… even though they knew I lived nearly 40 miles away and was a broke college student. It’s not exactly easy to pay for gas in this economy. I started to skip church a bit more often, and no one seemed to miss my presence. When I left for university, no one from my church bothered to keep in touch with me.

      It’s just as well, I’m not sticking around anyway. 🙂

    • Hello Sam,

      Sadly it is not an uncommon story. I am very sorry that your experience was the one you portrait. There is a new generation of SDA’s that is trying to break from the profound sense of exclusiveness that the old generation stood by. Hopefully the reality of your experience is not re-live by too many in the future.

      In Him,

      Mike

  6. Appalling or abysmal. Depressing or disheartening. Vagrant and nomadic.

    Wow.

    This site is an awakening. I have not done any searches on SDA members who has left the church, even though every now and then I would do some research on Biblical scriptures and philosophies, and I always gravitate to the Seventh-Day Adventist website. Of late, this has become a habit because I would cross-reference any issue that I would find intriguing in a sermon preached by the pastor of the current church I am a member of.

    I wonder if you have heard or read the book, “Wealthy Slaves and The Ecclesiastes”, released in 2010. This book was written by a former SDA. The book does not overtly talk about the SDA religion, but rather very covertly. To the best of my knowledge, another publication is on its way; this time the subject of religion – its passions and prejudices – is discussed.

    In regards to the comments I have read, in most ways I can relate, but frankly I do not agree to all of them. And, it should be okay, right? Because each of our experience in the SDA church is unique and personal to each of us, therefore views are going to be different.

    I was born and raised in a militant Seventh-Day Adventist household. I am the youngest of six. There was dysfunction and chaos in my home. My eldest sister was a college professor (not the conventional medical professional the SDA’s profess to be), who married a Catholic which instantly made us famous in the SDA gossip line and SDA tabloid. My brother was well, a doctor (MD-PhD) retired from an ivy-league university in the District of Columbia, and was considered the epitome of what an SDA baby-boomer should be. The brother next inline however, broke all the SDA ideals having attended a non-SDA university, joined an activist group to oust Marcos, smoked and drank, was thrown in jail for disturbing the peace during one of his “drunken” escapades. Next, is a sister who while in college had an abortion – the family was not even aware that she was dating! let alone get pregnant. Later in life she had a lesbian relationship, then finally a live-in partner – this time with a guy. Then, another brother, sadly he too, broke all the commandments in the beloved and revered SDA religion. He was extremely talented in the arts, drama, music, literary, and science; having learned to read and write at the age of three. He never graduated from high school though because he was severely ridiculed for being a bookworm and heavy eye glasses, and knowing everything in every textbook. And shocks of all shocks, he was gay. All of my siblings attended private school – the SDA school and educational system. You would think all of them lived good and productive lives. Unfortunately that is not true. Then, there’s me.

    I was a terribly timid and shy child. In retrospection, it was a sad and best-forgotten childhood. I taught Sabbath School since I learned to talk; sang in the children’s choir since I could hum a tune. I managed to go through the ranks of SDA education until my junior year. I became increasingly restless, depressed, and even suicidal. (Worst, I was not allowed to date this wonderful guy, why you may ask. Well, JEEZ – he is from a very devout and highly respected Catholic family!) It was then that my family agreed for me to leave the SDA educational system and continue my premed undergraduate studies at a non-SDA institution. When I left I was the sad, isolated, ugly and fat, very depressing woman. During the semester that I was enrolled at the non-SDA college, I made the Dean’s List, emceed most if not all the school events, became the Public Relations Officer in all the clubs I joined, passed the MCAT and got admission to the College of Medicine, graduated cum laude; and most of all, I danced, wore makeup and jewelry, dressed fashionably, and became the university’s homecoming queen. But, I still was not allowed to date my first love, because of this “unequally-yoked” chain we both have been linked onto. We thought of eloping, but I resisted, because if I did, this act could have caused my father’s life.

    So, three decades later, I am still griping. Yes, I have had wounds that healed, but the scars do remain. And yes, I am the black sheep of the family – the SDA family that is.

    • This testimony shows us how itomrpant it is to share our faith and beliefs with others. We also need to have an open heart of love that is a reflection of our relationship with God.

  7. Wow… It seems that most people who have left Adventism, left because of a legalitic view that was presented to them by others, and they were not able to find the joy in having a Sabbath rest and belonging to a community of like minded belivers. Yes Adventism is a life style, not just a religion. As a life long Adventist, I am so sorry to hear all of these examples. I grew up in Brooklyn, NY and went to Catholic School up until college. We were in a Caribbean church, so no makeup or jewlery, but we had meat…even in church. Now, our church doesn’t allow meat and lets everyone know, but people come over our home and there is meat, not judgment. My close friends are Catholic and that’s was fine with my parents. To this day, I have friends from all different walks of life. I went to non-Adventist college and hung out with my non-Adventist friends and they knew I wasn’t going to drink alcohol with them and we still bonded and had a good time. Maybe since I went to an Historically Black College my experience was different in that there are so many things to bond over. Even now as an adult going to conferences, I don’t drink with my co-workers, but we bond over family, life and current day matters. They know I don’t eat unclean meat or drink and why and we are still able to have a great time.

    My father, the son of a pastor, taught me how to dance and when my husband and I go to weddings, etc…we dance. Actually I danced at my wedding, with five pastors in attendance…the salsa, merengue, konpa (Haitian music), etc. No shock, for there is nothing bibically wrong with dancing, just don’t get inappropiratly close or turn down the lights and please not in church. For David danced, but not in church. I wear fashionable clothes and wear light make up only to church…I can’t be bothered during the week with makeup. No judgements there either, actually, I’m the wife of an elder and no our church is not progressive…it’s very conservative and that’s they way I like it.

    Our boys go to Adventist school, but with plenty of Catholics in our families, we teach them that non-believer is not a non-Adventist, because you can be unequally yoked in the Church. A true beliver, will study the bible and come to see the truth about the Sabbath and all of the other fundamental beliefs. We will teach our children to have friends of every religion and to be able to stand on their principles and know their bible for themselves. Since, we are in the world but not of the world, we have to know enough about it to reach those that are in it. And if after you impart your knowledge, they choose to stay as they are, you love them and pray for them, but don’t shun them.

    • How can you get on so well with others that have a belief and a personal philosophy that is completely at odds with your own? In every way and in every area?

      I do not mean that you cannot be friends with the world… – that is not in question but the idea that two opposing philosophies co-existing in apparent harmony – surely this can only happen if one has comprised?

      Piggler

    • I studied the bible and its historical context and have learned well that the sabbath and other Adventist fundamentals aren’t the truth as Adventism tried to teach me. To think clearly and well has given me much mental, emotional and spiritual liberation. Before, I was trained in forcing my mind to think in a way that would simply confirm what I had been taught I had to believe. Not healthy at all.

  8. TRUE bible believing catholic mixed adventist lifestyles, we’re in the world but not of it. We illegally dance conservatively with or without make-up and keep the sabbath at the same time ..we offer our special brand of unique truth to outsiders and pray for them if they can’t get their brains to believe as we do, we don’t shun them but they will not be saved with Our god’s chosen few who don’t eat unclean meat (our god hates people who eat ham.)
    you are allowed to be unequally yoked in our church presumably this means adventists may enter into matrimony with a popish catholic but an adventist can never be yoked to an infidel unbeliever. How lucky are the infidels!
    How special but..Uhmmm ..have you any idea idea how delusional this sounds, hey, nevermind whatever blows your hair back, now that we understand it, it’s cool to be narcissistic and there are treatments available.
    Real dogmatic adventists in my experience are mostly cultural and illiterate know nothing’s. Their cherry picked bible interpreted through the dodgy mind of Ellen White is their main source of information. Their highly manipulated apocalyptic bible prophecies are nothing more than insane occult superstitions.
    From a free thinking perspective I personally cannot begin to imagine how mind destroying and traumatically stultifying it is to be born or coercively indoctrinated into any extreme narrow world view. Those adventists that I have unfortunately come into contact with all reek of unintelligible hypocrisy and unhealthy vegetarian body odors. How any respectable healthy minded person can still be led into believing the cant and rant of a 19th century brain damaged woman is way beyond my comprehension, sorry! Ongoing propagation of the blatant lie that god somehow revealed himself exclusively through a certifiable schizophrenic to a small group of ill bred country yokels at such a late stage of world pre- history and recorded history is to my mind just jaw dropping criminal ignorance. It’s apocalyptically so actually!
    Americans (not all) apparently profess to be subversively proud of their freedom of religion ie. their diverse cultish sectarian my christian god is better than your christian god, or other god competitions, while most of the free, rational non religious world stands aghast and dismayed at all this ongoing incestuous religio life threatening mayhem.

    To all who have had the courage to reject the almighty drivel you’ve been immersed in for decades, even hundreds of years, I say congratulations on your enlightenment, question everything henceforward, and enjoy the freedom to explore the real world outside the airless glass dome you’ve been smothered under. Embrace the real fact of our common world, adopt a wider view of humanity and your own culture, boldly break down the walls of any superstitious elitist prejudice whenever you can.
    Never fear losing your bad religion, it is a mental handicap. I am told it is like vomiting up a bad meal, you may feel empty and slightly dazed for a short time but once the diet of rotten poisonous lies has been eliminated and your mind is fed in future with healty nourishing knowledge and constructive ideas, you will begin to feel and function in a much better and more humane way.

    • Right on Leonard. I couuldn’t have said that better myself.

  9. interesting opinion – were you answering my question?

    Piggler

    • See? I was obviously rlaley confused. I think I smashed my college Adventist friend together with my highschool JW friends and came up with a fun new breed of Christian that exists only in my head. Heh. I think I got that idea because she had never done Halloween before, and that was before I realized that apparently a lot of Christians don’t do Halloween. I’m sorry for misrepresenting you! ^_^*I’m glad an Adventist reader wandered in. Obviously I have a lot to learn this month!

  10. I do vary much agree with this article. The SDA community need to work on this issue as a whole. like many others I was brought into the religion, a convert. Going to a school where everyone already had tight bonds, it was hard try to fit in, oh not to leave out church functions and things of that nature. Although I found comfort and love in this community I also found isolation, loneliness, and depression. Dealing with these factors on top of years of conflicting thoughts of doing a total 360°turn in beliefs was a lot to handle growing up. Now that I’m 23 I have drifted away from the church. I really don’t go to church at all now but I do still find myself curled up on the couch on Friday evenings, eating haystacks for dinner with the tv off listing to religious music. Lol its just something I cant get ride off. Now that I’m older I find it vary hard to make friends outside of the church. Its hard to relate to those who didn’t grow up the same way as you did. These things affect us for years to come. The SDA community need to try to help ease this issue because the downfall is people are being changed by it. Maybe the new generation of Adventists can change this.

    • For the church to change and let go of these things and all the control won’t happen because that would mean the end of Adventism.

    • Exclusivism is in the DNA of Adventism. To take it away would be the end of Adventism.

  11. 57 years old and just this year, after MANY years being 4th gen.sda have I learned of this deception
    of the ” THE CHURCH ” and particularily MRS. ELLEN GOULD WHITE. I am sickened over this.
    I feel that my ball and chain has been loosed. Actually I am angry. I now have to regroup, undo, and
    go on with my life…TO GOD BE THE GLORY.

  12. Hmmm. Interesting but clearly not true. I guess you have to visit an adventist home to know. Because this article is biased, exaggerated and overemphasized. Unless you are really angry at someone at the church.

  13. I stumbled across this article, as I have been researching SDA’s since I moved into a new small town and have SDA neighbour couple. At first when I learned of SDA I thought it was just another denomination like baptists. I personally am a Christian and have never had denominational affiliation. Any hoo after our first Bible study I smelled something fishy and now am borderline obsessed and preoccupied with the following: these folks actually read their KJV Bibles, and cannot see the irreconcilable differences with their beliefs. It’s like EGW points a finger at others for the exact same thing she is teaching. I am dumbfounded. Any dancing and noise is of the devil, yet Miriam and others were dancing and playing drums in the spirit after crossing the Red Sea. It bugs me that they do everything they can to appear fundamental, but there is no substance in the Word. But they say that they revere the Word so much. So were the SDA’s Jews before ellen white or what? I tell them that the OT was a physical ‘type’ , a shadow of what is the NT spiritual convenient that has been magnified from under the blood of rams and goats to the blood of God. They say nothing has changed regarding the law. They say God is three persons and one God would be a scherzo phrenic to have three manifestations. There is many verses to point out but since the other commenter pointed out they like camping out in the OT, Isaiah 9:6 is clear. But they can pick up where they left off at being so pious and gingerly about believing the Bible. I am trying to muster brotherly love and judging not, I knew the Bible spoke of these sorts of things but never experienced it first hand to such a degree. Exercise is another one. I pointed out ‘for bodily exercise profiteth little’. In fact it seems all of 1 Timothy 4 is written for Advantists. There is so much more to say. Since their leader is so dismissive about Scripture she sets a president and they too are dismissive about scripture. I believe dismissing one word of it is no different than what Eve had done. They are condescending, but the wife tries to act as though she’s not. She said that her husband commented when I first moved next door “is she supposed to be a Christian or something?” Maybe because I only wear dresses. I dunno, the comment rings in my ear. Any true believers please say a prayer for me that I will have patience and tireless love toward them. They think they are fundamental but they are really only fundamental to EGW’s literature. They would rather lead others to her than to Christ. The first red flag is God would not disrupt His program and make a woman the latter day Elijah. Tell me ex advantists, other than the reasons of community but spiritually, do you think that you can be possessed by a spirit of SDA’s? Like someone having a jezebel or Ahab spirit ? Do you think they have a spiritual inferiority complex and that’s why the husband made that comment about me? Also they said that souls sleep but I pointed out that Samuel was summoned by the witch of Endor, to which they say it wasn’t really Samuel. But 1 Samuel 15:35 says that Samuel sees Saul on the day of sails death, and Saul died the day he summoned Samuel through the witch, and Jews count their days sunset to sunset. That also shows Saul was redeemed because he went to be with Samuel (1 Samuel 28:19) and also we are sealed with the Holy Spirit until the day of our redemption. That’s another thing. They deny the real baptism of the Holy Ghost and replace that with dead works. They must see this stuff in their Bibles, they’re always reading them! How do they justify it all away? Or how Paul said not to add to the gospel already preached. There just has to be something more than social reasons and pressure, something spiritually motivated. Why do they say they love the Bible so much when they don’t believe it. We are to live off of EVERY WORD. But they know they don’t follow the Bible because they get worried and read the one verse and quickly want to turn the pages again before I read the verses around the one they read. So they know. I’m used of reading a verse in context of a chapter in Bible study, not quickly skipping to 20 different isolated verses. So what then is the spiritual motivation behind all of the dead works, what’s the point? Thanks, Carly GOD BLESS YOU ALL

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